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Review Nov 12 2009 « | »
Grayson Perry in Conversation with Will Self The Turner prize-winning artist and ceramicist talks to the author at the British Library on 9th November

Grayson Perry, dressed as Claire, colorfully took to the stage in a quilted dress and blouse made from his Liberty prints. The outfit was adorned with bells, curl-toe shoes and a doll in matching ensemble. In contrast, a rakish Self, in black drainpipes, black shirt and black leather jacket looked like a Tim Burton character. In a good way.

Since Claire was present, the first few minutes were given to Self's enquiries as to how Perry's female alter ego became part of his art, as opposed to a functional fetishistic femme persona. Perry suggests that as a famous transvestite he is indulged with more freedom and is no longer an 'anonymous pervert', and that perhaps he reflects the younger generation of transvestites in that sense, whose fetish no longer needs a covert institution.

This is all very interesting and at the risk of getting carried away, Perry urges Self to address his practice.

The beauty of Perry's work is discussed first.

As his use of decorative devices is in line with the traditions of ceramics, the exploration of why Perry as an artist (rather than a craftsman) is drawn to his chosen discipline is pertinent. The hands-on approach required of ceramics must be meaningful to his practice as a whole, since ceramics are artefactural; physical objects grown out of thinking with hands as well as mind. Therefore rather than questioning what makes art, Perry is asking what makes good art. His query is based in his demonstrative skills.

In relation to the craft based nature of his work, it occurs to me to question the audience demographic- it is around 80% women with the majority in an older age bracket. Why has Perry appealed to this group? One lady at the Q&A says she hopes that Perry makes craft more popular and revered in the UK and I suspect that a wide swathe of the audience her might agree with her. Perry looks slightly shocked and explains that he believes craft as a movement to be somewhat redundant. His work is actually demonstrating that it is Art that makes craft relevant.

If anything, he hopes that he may empower other people to 'make' things as a reaction against consumerism. Referencing the 'Walthamstow Tapestry', Perry discusses this recurrent theme in his art - as an artist who seems to filter culture through him and into his work, it is clear that he feels consumerism enveloping our lives.

Therefore his choice to use craft, and to not divorce skill and concept within his practice, can be seen as a kind of protest; a championing individuality within the occasionally anonymous aspects of contemporary art and culture.

I heard Grayson Perry before I saw him, bells tinkling as he approached the auditorium. It was, of course, his enormous frock making the noise. Perry believes that 'taking a deep breath before leaving the house' is a sure sign of a good outfit. So, writer Will Self appropriately opened the evening's conversation on the subject of Perry's dress. It's a rich subject.

Before Perry prompted the discussion to move onto his art, we'd already heard of his attempts to create an autonomous culture and a brief history of transvestism. Perry also hinted at what he likes about heavily crafted items - like his ceramic artworks - because they look so 'overworked and loved.' Making things like that, he understands, requires a lot of practice.

The subject of craft led us nicely into a broader discussion about Perry's work (and Jacky Klein's new book celebrating it). If I'd wanted a concise, coherent and uncomplicated explanation of Perry as craftsman and artist, the evening would have been a disappointment. Actually, it offered a lot more than that. Perry and Self exchanged mischievously dirty looks as soon as they were introduced to one another, and then continued to chat with a similar degree of nerve.

The two men engagingly talked about the invention of fantasy worlds, Essex, consumerism, witches, the virtues of craft work, post-rationalisation, replacement bus services and a whole raft of other things in no necessary order. It was an intelligent and insightful ramble through Perry's world, cleverly navigated by Self who brought his own thoughts to the stage without being too dominating.

In a good way, the conversation seemed to ask more questions than it answered. It revealed Perry as a remarkably straight talking artist, not afraid to undermine himself, admit weaknesses in his work or make fierce criticisms of the art world. And, although his responses were often incomplete or in some way contradictory, the artist seemed very open and playfully able to discuss his work. This meant that what it lacked in rigorous critique, the discussion made up for in content.

The event left me with a much richer understanding of the artist. Putting his work's varied and complex subject matter aside for a moment, I was left thinking that it's Perry's honest reliance on intuition, influence and above all practice that has helped him succeed.

Grayson Perry: In conversation with Will Self was at Conference Centre at The British Library on Monday 9th November from 6.30pm.

For more information about talks and performances at the British Library, go to the events section of their website here.

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